Battery problems after data recovery efforts Tried to recover my Mac iBook hard drive and immediately after battery is not working properly (as if battery is missing). Has anyone experienced this previously? What exactly did you do to "recover" your hard drive? Did you remove it? Have you removed the battery and re-seated it? hard drive was taken out and put back. could anything happened during this process? Of course. The more you had to disassemble, the higher the chances you've destroyed something. Especially since you are asking as if you'd better not disassembled a computer... It could just be coincidence. Swap out the battery with one that you know that works. If you get the same result, you know it is the system, not the battery. _________________ Luke Recovery Force - Canadian Data Recovery Services This is a very common problem here on the islands. If your current is not stable this can happen quite often to laptop and batteries. I had one in that was working fine. AFter a few hours the system died. I had to pull the battery to get it to boot up again. Here I am not sure in other places this is quite common. I have a practice now with all laptop when using power to fix them with that I pull the battery before working. Normally for me I do not keep the battery on my laptop when using the power source to work with. If I need to use the laptop without the power source I charge the battery and replace it and then work with it this way. Here I see that people buy laptop and keep them plugged into the power source all the time when using them. Then when the battery is needed on a power outage the battery does not work anylonger. :mrgreen: _________________ Iorana Haraharaini Battery in laptops should work fine 1-2 years. After that it's better to be replaced If your battery is newer than 1 year - something is wrong otherwise you battery just died as many many others _________________ My hobby is numismatics - http://coins.zoxt.net/ I had a similar problem before. It turns out that the batter was just "worn out." Try replacing the battery. ============================================================================ Seagate ST320410A Firmware Question ok here goes I have a ST320410A 20 gb with a bad control board ,( firmware 3.34),and i have another one that is dead with a good control board (firmware 3.39) could i , and if i can ,how do i install the 3.34 firmware on to the 3.39 board. Hi I really had to dig deeply in my inventory to check this model, so a picture of the 2 PCBs would help to decide what to do here. If the board topology (processor type, motor Combo, reading channel IC) matches, u can change flash ROM ICs. Data Recovery lab (mumbai) _________________ - Data recovery Dear : Data Recovery lab (mumbai) It is true processor type : ST 100167669; motor Combo : SMOOTH 100143434; flash ROM ICs : Windbond W49L102Q-70; reading channel IC : NEC SINGAPORE C2164GC Thanks Hi, As i mentioned if everything matches, u can replace the ROM from the burnt board to the good one (provided it is intact of course :) ) Data Recovery lab (mumbai) _________________ - Data recovery Hi! I have a board for your drive. _________________ Don't gamble with your data! Hi, I need one advice for one situation. I have one hdd ST94019A FW:3.05 SN:3kw3zyy3 which need to be changed the MHA and from 2 months I try to find one fully compatible HDD for changing MHA but all I find was just hdd ST94019A with firmware 3.07 , 3.04, 3.07 but not 3.05. :) What I can do in this situation ? 3.04 or 3.07 will probably also work. Dobre _________________ Murphy was an optimist We will see if it works after I will change the MHA. I hope this will not broke my good heads. if everything matches like Data Recovery lab (mumbai) said u can also write atrom using u6dle to 3.39 pcb to make it 3.34 . Hi all! I have a ST320410A 20 gb with a bad control board ,( firmware 3.60).How do i install firmware on to the my HDD board? thanks! Change the Rom chip because rewriting the firmware require special tools . ============================================================================== SP1614C knocking but recognized correctly Hi, I have a SP1614C which is knocking at startup but reconnized correctly. In windows I can see the files but when I try to copy files it start knocking and the computer hangs. I tried to make a copy of the disk using Media Tools and can get some of the data as Start LBA End LBA 0 - 9.969.680 14.000.000 - 26.700.000 31.000.000 - 45.395.000 50.000.000 - 67.000.000 . . As seen on table can read some data then cannot read about 4-5 million. I gues the problem is related with one head since when it comes to end LBA the disk start knocking. What do you think? Thanks Baha Cevik Hi, I agree, one head is defective, it is possible to copy the data (image) from the working surfaces, then replace the head assembly and copy the rest. For this U will need a smart imaging program like DE. Or U replace the heads and see what comes from the drive afterwards. Today I replaced heads in an SP0802 and the image came with only 4 errors. But 4 heads is a bit different. regards, Data Recovery lab (mumbai) Thanks. Almost finish getting the data. later I ll try head exchange and let you know the result. Baha Cevik Istanbul - TURKEY how did you replaced the heads in the SP0802? I need to do this too :) pasco wrote: how did you replaced the heads in the SP0802? I need to do this too :) 0802 have only 2 heads. This is really easy task for a skilled pro. But if you don't know how to do it, then i think you have no cleanroom for do it. If no, then your success is close to 0. Janos Too bad I found SP08x2 drives are somewhat sensitive for head alignment... This might lower the chances even more. Data Recovery lab (mumbai) _________________ - Data recovery Yeah you are right. I don't have a clean room. How much does it cost if I let it do professional? By the way: Can anybody please explain me this text for searching a suitable donor from the text on http://Hard Disk Recovery Lab.com/content/en/articles/ ... ck-Q-and-A Quote: Samsung Forth character in the alphabetic code printed on the label at the rear side od the drive should match - is this the tiny text on the sticker on the pcb side on the ide connector? - Forth character from the left or right hand side? - does the "+" in the table at "Country" means, it's important, that the drive is from the same country? How can I check for what country the drive was? Is there also a country code maybe somewhere on the drive? Or must only the forth character in the alphabetic code match? Thanks a lot p@sco pasco wrote: Yeah you are right. I don't have a clean room. How much does it cost if I let it do professional? Generally it depends on the platter's condition. If there is no damage, the "standard" price in my lab for this drive with this problem is about 350 EUR. Janos OK. Thanks a lot for your information. And you would recover all (recoverable) data for this price? How can I say what condition the platter is? Or can't I and only you :-D? Thx pasco pasco wrote: OK. Thanks a lot for your information. And you would recover all (recoverable) data for this price? How can I say what condition the platter is? Or can't I and only you :-D? Thx pasco The price not depends on the data, only on the problem. ( = yes, all recoverable data) You can't say the condition, only professional lab can diagnose it. (In my lab the diagnose is free.) Janos ok, sounds quite nice. N.C. wrote: pasco wrote: Yeah you are right. I don't have a clean room. How much does it cost if I let it do professional? Generally it depends on the platter's condition. If there is no damage, the "standard" price in my lab for this drive with this problem is about 350 EUR. Janos Is it parts+labor+rm+shipping? Just interesting. _________________ Good Luck http://www.datarecovery.net r3712 wrote: N.C. wrote: pasco wrote: Yeah you are right. I don't have a clean room. How much does it cost if I let it do professional? Generally it depends on the platter's condition. If there is no damage, the "standard" price in my lab for this drive with this problem is about 350 EUR. Janos Is it parts+labor+rm+shipping? Just interesting. This is only the recovery. The client needs to send the hdd into my lab, and the price is counted from this point. Additionally note, we are talking about SP0802x. ;) I don't need to ship nothing, because i can put the data into my ftp server, and the client can download safely the data. In this way i will have more parts, so i don't need to charge for it. :D Janos Still sounds nice :). Anyway, can anybody tell me please, which a the criterias for finding a donor for this drive? :roll: I don't get it...what "Forth character in the alphabetic code printed on the label at the rear side od the drive should match" is this? The sticker on the ide connector on the pcb side of the hdd? And is it the forth character from left or right hand side? Are the also futhur criterias that should match? Like country? If yes, where is the countrycode? Thx a lot ups, sorry.. N.C. wrote: r3712 wrote: N.C. wrote: pasco wrote: Yeah you are right. I don't have a clean room. How much does it cost if I let it do professional? Generally it depends on the platter's condition. If there is no damage, the "standard" price in my lab for this drive with this problem is about 350 EUR. Janos Is it parts+labor+rm+shipping? Just interesting. This is only the recovery. The client needs to send the hdd into my lab, and the price is counted from this point. Additionally note, we are talking about SP0802x. ;) I don't need to ship nothing, because i can put the data into my ftp server, and the client can download safely the data. In this way i will have more parts, so i don't need to charge for it. :D Thank you. I was trying to compare the cost of recovery in different parts of the world. :=) Janos _________________ Good Luck http://www.datarecovery.net I think my question was not very popular .. :-/ ================================================================================ Is this a problem with the hard drive? OK picked up a used dell inspiron with a burnt out hard drive... or so I thought. Worked fine when I ran it with ubuntu boot disc so I figure it must be the hard drive. Get the new drive, a samsung 160gb 5400rpm 8m pata, I installed the drive, installed linux, worked great for about 36 hours. Other than the fact that the BIOS limited the capacity to 137 GB I had no issues, or so I thought. Middle of the day today it starts clicking and locks up. I shut it off and let it cool down. Restarted a few minutes ago and click click click... Is this my fault? What happened? Is the drive shot? Is it some conflict with the computer? Not that there is anything important on the drive yet but can it be repaired? If it makes a difference the grub loader still starts and trys to get ubuntu going. The opeing screen comes up and it looks like it's loading it just never gets there. Doesnt seem to want to boot from the CD either now. OK sorry for all these News but Im experimenting and trying to get as much info in here as I can. I removed the new drive and installed the old one. It tries to boot from CD. right away it says hdd internal soft error f1 to continue f2 to options I select F1 that was the way to boot the CD before all this happened, and this is the mesdsage I get, Remember I'm trying to boot ubuntu BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian1:11.3-5 ubuntu 12) Built in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. (initramfs) [ 42.019028] ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [ 42.019085] ata1.00: cmd c8/00:08:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 dma 4096 in [ 42.019136] ata1.00: status: { DRDY } [ 42.398610] ata1.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5) [ 42.780268] ata1.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5) [ 42.161146] ata1.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5) ldm _validate partition_table(): disk read failed Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 <5 more x> ata_id[3601]: main: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for '/dev/.tmp-8-0' well apparently the 3rd time is the charm. This time it said internal HDD hard error (as opposed to soft last time) f1 to resume. I resumed and it booted from the boot disc this time. This is with the old drive in. I'm going to try it again with the new drive and see what happens. tried diagnostics in the "pre-boot system assessment" everything passed except "DST short status Test test results: Fail error code 1000-0143 msg:unit 0: drive SMART read command failed it also clicked throughout this test. ...and again it wont boot from the CD with the new drive in. Looks like you enjoy talking to yourself :) I'd get a new drive - current one is not reliable If it's clicking, it's bad. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. Thanks but my ultimate question is this something I'm responsible for or was this just a crap drive to begin with, even though it worked for a day and 1/2? Did you do something to it other than using it normally? _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. drc wrote: Did you do something to it other than using it normally? No, but I've heard recently read something about installing drives larger than 137gb in this computer might result in problems. This computer isn't capable of reading drives larger than 137gb and I installed a 160. It is a dell inspiron 6000. Thanks It can result in problems where the filesystem loses files, but it can't result in the drive clicking. That's a physical problem. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. Hi, You should try to install a new drive, that should make it work again. A slim chance that the motherboard on your laptop gives overcurrent to the harddrive...but thats less then 0.5% On the Gb limit you have you should visit Dell's site and do a Bios update...and then use Xp Service pack 2 or newer. Regards Bosse 1st thanks again Gurus... mr_spokk wrote: Hi,A slim chance that the motherboard on your laptop gives overcurrent to the harddrive...but thats less then 0.5% Is there a way to determine if that is the problem before I fry another one? I did after all get this computer with a fried hard drive. Quote: On the Gb limit you have you should visit Dell's site and do a Bios update...and then use Xp Service pack 2 or newer. Yeah it's an older computer and it has the latest BIOS update available. I'm using The latest version of Ubuntu with extended support. Later than XP SP2. Regards Bosse[/quote] mr_spokk wrote: Hi,A slim chance that the motherboard on your laptop gives overcurrent to the harddrive...but thats less then 0.5% Is there a way to determine if that is the problem before I fry another one? I did after all get this computer with a fried hard drive. ====================================================================================== Atola Imager Hi I would like to buy Atola Imger , & would like to know price & its review. Has anyone brought or tested it? Detailed information about Atola products can be found on http://www.atola-europe.com Have sent you also a PM. If you have any question - please send a PM too regards Walter falther wrote: Detailed information about Atola products can be found on http://www.atola-europe.com Have sent you also a PM. If you have any question - please send a PM too regards Walter ================================================================== Help with my LaCie 1TB Ethernet Big Disk U NAS (Sorry in advance for the lengthy New, I just wanted to be thorough) Hello all HD Gurus - I've been trolling this forum for a few weeks now and I've finally got to the point with where I need to get some real advice about h my situation from knowledgeable folks. The headline is that I have a dead 1TB LaCie NAS from which I'm trying to recover data with very limited success. I would love any and all insights on how to fix this, and I'll happily New my findings as they develop. I configured this is a 1TB volume, which I believe makes it a RAID 0 array. Overview Just before Christmas, my NAS (which contains about 15,000 files, mostly family photos and MP3s totaling about 30GB) stopped responding as a network drive on my PC and my wife's Mac laptop. I noticed that the power supply had been hissing so I unplugged it and plugged it back in. The drive subsequently didn't respond when I pressed the power button. I figured, no problem, the power supply is dead. I ordered at new one from LaCie ($50) and tried it after the holiday. No dice. The drive remained totally unresponsive. I called LaCie and opened a ticket. They said I should send in the drive and they would replace it ... and all of my data would be lost. Not such a good solution. So I broke the warranty, pulled out both Seagate 500GB drives and installed them in my PC. After booting the PC, all drives were recognized in Windows and I opted not initialize any of them (though interestingly, the BIOS didn't pick them up even after an update). I went out and bought a 2TB drive to and spent last weekend making images of the Seagates so I could work with them (I'll call them 129 and 131, with 131 being what I think is the "primary" drive as it has a bunch of partitions recognized by Windows). I then disconnected the Seagates leaving them in the PC chassis for future formatting and use, as they seem to be running fine. So here's what I've tried so far and the results (the following were done on the images only): -- I tried using RAID reconstructor from Runtime and it can't make any significant findings during its tests. Basically, the software said don't bother building a RAID 0 from its interface. -- I tried using R-Studio, but its but frankly I didn't really know what to do with it. I started a scan and it ran very slowly, but some "Extra Files" were found and they appeared to be OK in the preview window. This was the case on both drives. When I used the -- I tried WinHex, but it was too advanced and I was too tired to deal with it. Also, as soon as I dug in, it said I needed a licesnes -- I tried using UFS Explorer and it found a lot of stuff on 131, including a very intact folder structure and a lot of files that I was able to copy off (after I bought the license). However, UFS Explorer couldn't find anything on 129, just one partition with an "Unrecognized File System". I used both Versions 3 and 4 (which I bought, and in retrospect, probably shouldn't have until writing this New). These were the four main avenues that I saw most folks discussing on this forum and elsewhere, and it seems like each has it's own benefits (except WinHex, maybe) but I don't know how to go about getting the data back in total. I'm encouraged because about half of the data seemed fine (photos were viewable, MP3s played, etc) using UFS and R-Studio found data on 129 as "extra files". Questions/Help Needed 1. Does anyone know the specific parameters for building an image of the RAID on any of the above software products? I don't really know blocks from sectors, and my knowledge of how RAIDs actually get configured under the covers is very limited. For example, I see I was hopeful that RAID Reconstructor would figure it out for me, but no luck. This made me think something was wrong with 129, though I have no proof. 2. If I can't rebuild the array in total, does anyone have suggestions on how to systematically get the data off the drives, especially 129? Am I missing something with the unrecognized FS? It seems like RAID Reconstructor found some stuff on there after a scan, which leads me to believe if I could get both drives working, I'm might be able to get the data off each individually. This would mean that my data never actually striped, so I don't know if that's possible, or if this is not a RAID configuration after all. 3. What is de-striping and how can i go about it with the configuration I've got? Any help would be great ... I have a lot of the data backed up to Amazon S3, but it will be a real headache to restore this back to my local system (and it will cost me download charges from AWS), but I can get some of this back if I can't get 129 and 131 back. Thanks a lot in advance ... and thanks to other News that helped me get this far. Dave Hardware Setup Product details http://www.lacie.com/us/support/support ... ?pid=10882 Dell XPS 700 running Windows Vista All drives use the built in SATA ports No RAID configured in the BIOS This is what got me started failed-lacie-ethernet-big-disk-raid-t9271.html Hi dave, Just use UFS explorer and configure your images as Spanning raid. You don't need block size or parity rotation for spanning configuration. Images order should be 131 and 129. Good luck (First, my apologies to all readers on my grammar and style on the OP. I had not had enough coffee when I typed it up). Thanks for the reply, Pninja! When I used the 4.x "Access" version of UFS Explorer, and tried configuring the RAID as a JBOD, the software said there were no recognizable partitions after I clicked "browse". I used all the defaults. Is this what you were suggesting I try? I'm also a little confused about the different versions of the UFS software. I liked the UI on 3.x, but accidentally bought the 4.x. which is not quite as robust (it seems). Suggestions here? DP dcpugh wrote: (First, my apologies to all readers on my grammar and style on the OP. I had not had enough coffee when I typed it up). Thanks for the reply, Pninja! When I used the 4.x "Access" version of UFS Explorer, and tried configuring the RAID as a JBOD, the software said there were no recognizable partitions after I clicked "browse". I used all the defaults. Is this what you were suggesting I try? I'm also a little confused about the different versions of the UFS software. I liked the UI on 3.x, but accidentally bought the 4.x. which is not quite as robust (it seems). Suggestions here? DP Maybe images order was incorrect. From your explanation, order should be: 131 (the one that has visible partitions and file system) 129 BTW, using UFS Explorer what type of raid did you choose? Hardware or software? regards Thanks. I set it up w/131 then 129 as RAID 0. There was no software or hardware option. I tried all block sizes to no avail. I'm doing a deep scan for file systems on 129 right now and we'll see what it yields ... I saw it pick up an XFS file system, but I'm killing myself trying rebuild the RAID. I've tried all software listed above and I know I'm close. I can see some stuff in previews and the like. I'm open to all suggestions. Thx DP A quick update ... I ran the UFS Explorer filesystem "finder" and it found an XFS filesystem on 129. However, I could not browse that file system. What's killing me is that I can see the entire top level folder structure on 131, but all the files are not there. For some reason, none of the above mentioned programs can link together the two disks, though both appear to be just fine. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. TIA DP ================================================================================ Raid 10 (0+1) recovery problems Hello community! I have a very serious problem with my RAID and hope someone here can help. At first my specs: I am running Windows 7 64bit on a PC with the ASUS P7P55D Mainboard and five 1TB hard drives. Four of them were striped and mirrored in one RAID 10. The remaining drive was used as the system disc. This morning an error popped up while I was booting, stating that one of the drives went offline. I restarted in order to have a look at the RAID-BIOS and from then on Windows didn't boot anymore. It just couldn't find the system disc and three of the four RAID discs were offline. So I checked all the cables and eventually exchanged the system disc and reinstalled windows. Now I can boot the system but still can't access the RAID. When I disconnect the drives 3 and 4 the remaining two are recognized as functioning RAID member discs. I thought I might be able to restore one of the two RAID-0s this way but that didn't work because in Windows it's shown as one partition and not as several independent drives. There is still another option. Deleting the RAID and setting it up again and then run a recovery. But that seems a bit too risky to me because all my work stuff is on that friggin thing. Any advice which software to use or other hints about what might possibly work? Any help is appreciated, I'm kinda lost here. Thanks!You should clone all 4 disks before you do anything. Connect all disks then identify which disks are the RAID 0. Use software such as Winhex. You can slo use winhex to rebuild the RAID manually, then extract the data to another hard drive. You need to idenify disk order, starting sector (usually 0) and block size. By any chance these disks are Seagate 7200.11 series ? Then it could be the firmware problem. Dobre _________________ Murphy was an optimist No they are not. But last night I managed to fix the problem :D If somebody happens to have the same problem, here is what I did: As described above I replaced the system hard drive with a new one and reinstalled Windows because it didn't boot at all. By unplugging all the raid discs and reconnecting them I finally found out that one drive seemed to be the cause of all problems. So I went to the store, got a new one and replaced it. Now the system wouldn't boot anymore again. So I disconnected the new drive and booted with three of the four raid drives. When Windows was up I connected the last drive and set it as replacement in the Intel Raid software thing. So the raid mounted and I backed up all data over night onto an external disc. I still had to reinstall Windows because somehow my system disc wasn't recognized as bootable anymore but now it works smoothly again. Thanks for your help! seems like you didnt need our help afterall. The problem with this scenario is when it doesn't work. It is so frustrating trying to recover from a failed RAID array after the client has shuffled drives in and out and attempted to rebuild multiple times. To help, we provide a low cost service to mirror each drive in a RAID (assuming that they are healthy) and set them aside while the client takes the originals back to play. If they succeed with their efforts, they have only paid us a couple hundred dollars for the peace of mind. If they fail, we can move forward and recover from the clones without having to deal with any extra problems. _________________ Luke Recovery Force - Canadian Data Recovery Services ========================================================================= need experience help Hi I got WD800BD-00MR1 Sata .Bios detect WDC ROM MODEL-UNICORN. Hd information : WB800BD-00MR1 DATE:23 AUG 2007 DCM :DBBNTJCH PCB :261-7013335-D00 AC MOTOR #:1040C0FFX MADE IN :MALAYSIA DONOR HDD: WB800BD-00MR1 DATE:06 DEC 2007 DCM :HSCANTJCH PCB :261-7013335-D00 AC MOTOR #:1040-PBC0T MADE IN :MALAYSIA Note :Motor number is different I swapped the pcb but I cannot work and also little sound. Is this mean head problem ? or swap pcb to work it should the motor number much exactly. If the head is defect can I used the door head to replace it (is the donor much exactly) ? This drive needs a professional if you ever want to see your data again. redseaksa wrote: Hi I got WD800BD-00MR1 Sata .Bios detect WDC ROM MODEL-UNICORN. Hd information : WB800BD-00MR1 DATE:23 AUG 2007 DCM :DBBNTJCH PCB :261-7013335-D00 AC MOTOR #:1040C0FFX MADE IN :MALAYSIA DONOR HDD: WB800BD-00MR1 DATE:06 DEC 2007 DCM :HSCANTJCH PCB :261-7013335-D00 AC MOTOR #:1040-PBC0T MADE IN :MALAYSIA Note :Motor number is different I swapped the pcb but I cannot work and also little sound. Is this mean head problem ? or swap pcb to work it should the motor number much exactly. If the head is defect can I used the door head to replace it (is the donor much exactly) ? Hi, If you don't match the motor model, this can be good and not enough as well, it depends.... Anyway, your information is not enough for understanding the case. But i know, if you open the top lid in cleanroom, you will lost the heads's alignment, and the drive will never work until you solve the WD head alignment problem. If you open it outside of the cleanroom, the alignment gone as well, but dust comes in from the air, and the platters will be scored. With this, you will multiple the recovery price, so i suggest, if pcb swap not helps, stop at this point, and seek for professional help... Janos Anyway, it's not a PCB problem. You can hear a little sound from your drive then it's detected as a UNICORN? I bet you can't hear a normal calibration ? _________________ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. Sounds like translator problem. Easy in the lab, hard at home. _________________ Good Luck http://www.datarecovery.net Hi Thank u to all. I am in confuse any specific ige advice. Note: to send to lab is too expensivean Regards =========================================================================== ATA Terminal I have started writing my own ATA terminal software, I am trying to figure out an interesting issue. I am returning each "block" of data as a 16 bit integer. When sending EC through the status register, the data returned has the bytes swapped. Command 20 returns data in order. Is there something I missed regarding the byte order? I tried returning as a single byte and the same thing happens. Any ideas? Shawn PS. I have no intention of giving the software out. Some of the regulars maybe. I have learned from this project, that if you don't have the discipline to build this yourself you can only do more harm than good. Hi, Command 0xEC is supposed to work like that. This is normal. Just check ATA specs. Data Recovery lab (mumbai) _________________ - Data recovery That is what got me this far, I must have missed it. Are there others that you know of that work the same way? I don't remember other ones. But in this one only the ASCII fields are byte swapped too. Data Recovery lab (mumbai) _________________ - Data recovery Nice project _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. Thanks DRC! I have been wanting to write an event driven logging class with exports and reporting for a while. I needed an ATA terminal for study, so I went for it. Quite fun actually. I am working on a few more MDI child forms. One for copy and jump on error, one for smart, one for partition tables, and one for graphing delay by sector. Data Recovery lab (mumbai), after going back and reading I did catch it. I was trying to figure out if I should have a switch to perform the swap after the data is read(if there was more than one) or if I should just process 0xEC differently. Shawn Oh, I forgot the number one reason for the project! Easy drive access through managed code. Pointers be gone! Couple hints for you You can try read and write data by dwords not just words It will be faster Most of the controllers and modern drives support this feature But use it as an option, so it can be changed through user interface Also it is good to have some kind of commands store, so you can load commands from this store and you don't need to type them again and again Don't forget LBA48 support for sending commands and reading registers back Good luck _________________ My hobby is numismatics - http://coins.zoxt.net/ DWords, From the spec I though I was stuck with words. I will make the change now. I have been debating the cammands store going more of a macro route. Haven't made that decision yet. Your HDDScan app and the bit about the Cypress USB controller is what is driving this. Anyone care to elaborate on the Hi/Mid/Low cylinder registers? With LBA addressing how can I calculate these values? Shawn Doomer, it appears that Identify will only return words. Controller limitation? Quote: Anyone care to elaborate on the Hi/Mid/Low cylinder registers? With LBA addressing how can I calculate these values? U don't need them. At least drives over some hundred megs will support LBA. It is very rare that you need CHS addressing these days. When u need it, just check ATA specs. Data Recovery lab (mumbai) _________________ - Data recovery So how are the LBA addresses entered through the H/M/L registers? Attachment: Regs.PNG Regs.PNG [ 20.76 KiB | Viewed 250 times ] So the first byte of the lba goes in low, second in mid, last in high? L <- LBA bits 0-7 M <- LBA bits 8-15 H <- LBA bits 16-23 Device reg lower nibble <-LBA bits 24-27 this is for 28bit LBA addressing. But please, really, read that ATA spec, it will teach you a bunch of things. Data Recovery lab (mumbai) _________________ - Data recovery Data Recovery lab (mumbai), I am reading trust me. I am just trying to apply as I read to further grasp the concepts. Still trucking, put in the 48 bit support for the LBA registers. Now working on the DWORD read/write support. Thanks for everything guys! 1x1 and 1x2 are LBA48 related too _________________ My hobby is numismatics - http://coins.zoxt.net/ they are in my struct, just haven't used them yet so the textboxes aren't there. When using LBA values, x6 should should always have bit 6 set correct? Almost correct _________________ My hobby is numismatics - http://coins.zoxt.net/ Report this New ================================================================================ how to unlock seagate ST3120026A in max security mode (nopw) How to unlock ST3120026A when it's in maximum security and the master password is lost I tested generics ones “Seagate[ ]*” and others but it just failed”… I dont care of the data on it ... Can this disk unlocked for free ? by software (using ATA commands ) ? by hardware (max232 / serial ) ? Finally I use GNU/Linux , can hdparm be used to brute force the disk ? Regards -- http://rzr.online.fr/q/ata _________________ -- http://rzr.online.fr/q/ata : Please help to unlock ST3120026A in max security mode , lost all pwd, do not care about data, free help welcome ... RZR, have a look at command F3. Also, please stop dredging up old News. The best advice I can give you is to prove you are trying and most people here will guide you in your learning. No one will give you the answers outright. Shawn Hint 1: Use rs232/ttl convertor Hint 2: There's a list of seagate commands somewhere in this forum Hint 3: Someone Newed a solution for another seagate model that need only minor adaptation Regards ==================================================================================== st3500320as 7200.11 slow bios detect The drive was bricked, but I recovered it via terminal and then upgraded the firmware. I'm not concerned about the data on the drive, but would like to continue using the drive as part of my raid0 array. The drive seems to work fine, has no bad sectors, remapped sectors or otherwise. However the hard drive now takes about 10 seconds to be detected by the bios during a cold boot. Subsequent resets (warm boot) are ok. My other 7200.11 drive is detected instantly on a cold boot and I'm sure this one used to be as well. Any ideas what to look for and/or a possible solution? Thanks in advance. Rob ================================================================================ Seagate ST31000324NS wrong id and fw I have ST31000324NS which has been looked at by a computer shop, the firmware on the label is SN04 but on UDMA its shown as SD35. Do you guys think the drive's firmware is not original and has been updated? Maybe PCB is not native? The drive reach readiness detected correctly but unable to access data with Bad head except h0 , total (h0...h7) Serial number matched label, Model do not match on label ST31000324NS but on UDMA ST31000340AS, fw on label SN04, SD35 on UDMA. while cloing got this error message: RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RNRERR F 27 S D0RNRERR F 27 S D0RNRERR F 27 S 50RNRERR F 27 S 50 RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame F3 T>/1F3 1>N1F3 1> RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RNRERR F 27 S 50RNRERR F 27 S 50 RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame LED:000000EE FAddr:000037F8LED:000000EE FAddr:000037F8RNRERR F 27 S 50 RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestResumeSaveSmartFrame RequestRes Any help much appreciated. _________________ ?????? ????, ????? TerraNova wrote: I have ST31000324NS which has been looked at by a computer shop, the firmware on the label is SN04 but on UDMA its shown as SD35. Do you guys think the drive's firmware is not original and has been updated? Maybe PCB is not native? The drive reach readiness detected correctly but unable to access data with Bad head except h0 , total (h0...h7) Serial number matched label, Model do not match on label ST31000324NS but on UDMA ST31000340AS, fw on label SN04, SD35 on UDMA. Without knowing anything about the drives, it seems to me that the ST310003(2)4NS has 2 platters and 4 heads, whereas the ST310003(4)0AS has 4 platters and 8 heads. Both are 3.5" drives (ST3). This means that the former has double the data density, so one would expect that it is a more recent model. I would compare the date code on the label with the date codes on the chips. Most manufacturers appear to subscribe to the philosophy of "just-in-time" manufacturing, so I expect that the date codes will be closely matched. Seagate date code calculator: http://www.bugaco.com/calculators/seagate_date_code.php The IC date codes are usually in YYWW or YWW format (year/week). Upload a detailed photo if you need help with the latter. Thanks fzabkar , yes the pcb matched the code on the label. Now the drive is clicking, no choice but to exchange head. thanks _________________ ?????? ????, ????? TerraNova wrote: Thanks fzabkar , yes the pcb matched the code on the label. Now the drive is clicking, no choice but to exchange head. I am not a data recovery professional, merely an observer. I was only addressing your concerns as to whether the PCB was "native". I have no idea why the firmware appears mismatched. Is "ST31000324NS" a typo? I can't find any references to this model number? ======================================================================================== Which Tool to use to Recover Partition? WD Diagnostic tool sees all the data intact on my HDD. It also shows that the NTFS partition is ok. But XP wont boot to Desktop, before than it restarts. This 1 year old HDD showed bad SMART in New. Which tool now I can use to recover the data? Hiren's boot cd? Which tool? If you see your data on the drive and your windows in corrupt then you have a chance to pull your drive, attach it to another PC with an external usb enclosure and see if you can get your data off your drive this way. Other wise you will need to clone this drive and not work on it, install a recovery program inside another PC and attach it via usb external enclosure. After run the recovery program to get your data back. Get Data Back NTSF is a good one to use but you will need to purchase this in order to get your data back. _________________ Iorana Haraharaini =================================================================================== Need help restoring a drive to max capacity. Hi, I have a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 160GB ATA/ 133 HDD. The jumper is set to master. The drive is connected to a desktop via a USB cable. The desktop is a HP media center running XP. The drive is from an older computer and for reasons you probably understand better than me it only appears as about 32GB instead of the 160GB it is supposed to be. I downloaded (among many other things that didn't work from many other places) the HDD capacity restore tool and discovered it won't recognize the drive connected by USB. Then I downloaded MHDD thinking it was going to allow me to use the HDD capacity restore tool on a drive connected via USB but it didn't recognize the drive when I ran the boot disc. I figure the problem is me. I don't know what aspi mode is or how to get to it and work in it, and apparently I'm supposed to enter "X:usbaspi.sys/w/v" somewhere and I have no idea where to do that in order to get this to happen. Can anyone help me? I know I probably sound like a total newb and that helping me might take time and effort but it will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. In i easiest try go to My Computer (on desktop) , right click- manage- disk management- select Hd and see what's going with it. than you can choose your options. _________________ Good Luck http://www.datarecovery.net You need to attach the drive directly to the computer, not through USB if you are going to use any tools such as MHDD _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. What about just use Paragon Partition Manager? _________________ Good Luck http://www.datarecovery.net Wow thanks for the quick replies. Quote: In i easiest try go to My Computer (on desktop) , right click- manage- disk management- select Hd and see what's going with it. than you can choose your options. Here's what I found. Layout=partition type= basic file system= fat 32 status= healthy capacity= 31.48 gb free space= 31.48 gb %free= 100% fault tolerance= no overhead= 0% Quote: You need to attach the drive directly to the computer, not through USB if you are going to use any tools such as MHDD That's what I was afraid of. I don't know if that's an option at this point. There isn't an open bay. Quote: What about just use Paragon Partition Manager? I forgot to say I was running a dual boot with this computer so the first thing I tried was using "gparted" in ubuntu 8.04. That only showed me the 32 GB. I tried reformatting it in gparted, writing zeros to it with a seagate boot disc, and nothing has revealed the drives capacity to me. If you think I should still use the paragon partition manager I'm up for it. Where do I find it? Software such as paragon is not going to help you change the capacity of the hard drive. Changing the max capacity deals with ATA commands that your USB interface is just not going to do. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. So the bottom line is I need to connect this drive to a computer internally. I have no other options? Now if I manage to do this will something like the capacity restore tool solve the problem? Probably yes. Dobre _________________ Murphy was an optimist Maybe, it depends on why its actually doing that. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. drc wrote: Maybe, it depends on why its actually doing that. From what I understand the drive was originally used in an older computer and when the partition was set this is what resulted. I don't know exactly, an HDD guru could probably explain it better, but I think it has something to do with the bios or the OS that the HD was originally formatted on. If you look at this link it explains it better. I believe the original problem resulted when # 3 happened. Now with it in a new computer and external I believe #4 is the issue... as a result of #3. I Newed a reply to the last New a few hours ago. If the link is a problem can you please put my New up without the link and I'll edit it? Thanks mods http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/maxt ... manual.pdf look at Fig 3.5 make sure CLJ jumper is off (no jumper) _________________ Knowledge is of no value unless you put it into practice. ~ Anton Chekov Quote: look at Fig 3.5 make sure CLJ jumper is off (no jumper) I appreciate the help but in my original New I mentioned that... Quote: The jumper is set to master. drc wrote: Maybe, it depends on why its actually doing that. I believe the problem originated because of the... taken from a site that will remain nameless wrote: Operating System: Windows [XP had] a 32 GB format limitation for FAT 32. That [meant that when I] formatted the drive in FAT 32 with Windows [XP], the largest partition supported [was] 32 GB... Now I believe the problem is continuing because of... Quote: Incorrect Reporting to the BIOS: The drive itself may be reporting the incorrect size to the BIOS. In order to correct this, you will need to download xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, boot into the xxxxxxxxx disc, and run the Set Capacity utility. Apparently this doesn't work when the drive is connected by USB. Thanks for any tips or ideas. guru, Sorry I just reread your New and I think I misunderstood you. Quote: look at Fig 3.5 make sure CLJ jumper is off (no jumper) I had the jumper set to slave when I first started trying everything. Now it is set to master. Are you saying I should completely remove the jumper? Then what? Guru, I removed the jumper completely and the drive is now no longer recognized by either XP or ubuntu. Should I be using a boot disc of some sort? No, jumper should be set to master. What Guru was saying is that there's another jumper setting that limits the drive to 32GB. Also software issues like FAT32 limitations don't have anything to do with the drive self-reporting its max capacity. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. drc wrote: No, jumper should be set to master. What Guru was saying is that there's another jumper setting that limits the drive to 32GB. Yeah, that's what I figured. I said in my original New that it is was set to master. I'm willing to try anything at this point. Quote: Also software issues like FAT32 limitations don't have anything to do with the drive self-reporting its max capacity. Ok well you asked why it is doing that and I'm just trying to give you all the information I can. I remember when it was formatted to fat 32 years ago on another computer that I lost all the 160GB capacity and I haven't been able to get it back since. I'm really just telling you what I've found with internet searches. The drive always worked fine. So I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with damage. just sometimes in the past with field engineers they missed the fact that the LIMIT CAPACITY jumper was installed. I know you said Master was installed but I wondered if you also had CLG installed. So if you only have 1 jumper on Master and the rest of the pins are clear then it's something else :O) ________________ Knowledge is of no value unless you put it into practice. ~ Anton Chekov just a crazy thought but have you checked via Manage Computer and checked how the disk shows up? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/313348 _________________ Knowledge is of no value unless you put it into practice. ~ Anton Chekov Quote: I remember when it was formatted to fat 32 years ago on another computer that I lost all the 160GB capacity and I haven't been able to get it back since. Was that other machine a Dell? Were you cloning the drive? If so, then the following articles may help: Understanding the Dell MediaDirect Partition: http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/mediadirect.htm HPA Problems When Upgrading Hard Disk: http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/hpa-issues.htm See "How To Repair A Truncated Disk" at the bottom of the previous link. HDAT2 FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions): http://www.hdat2.com/hdat2_faq.html See Dell and HPA FAQs at above link. Explanation of Host Protected Area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_protected_area I don't think I've ever seen a desktop with mediadirect on it, certainly not on anything old enough to have a DM9 _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. drc wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a desktop with mediadirect on it, certainly not on anything old enough to have a DM9 I was thinking that the OP may have cloned the DM9 drive on an older Dell PC with a much smaller drive, in which case the clone would have had its capacity truncated to match the original drive. guru wrote: just sometimes in the past with field engineers they missed the fact that the LIMIT CAPACITY jumper was installed. I know you said Master was installed but I wondered if you also had CLG installed. So if you only have 1 jumper on Master and the rest of the pins are clear then it's something else :O) Right I appreciate the thought... only one jumper though. guru wrote: just a crazy thought but have you checked via Manage Computer and checked how the disk shows up? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/313348 No but I have used gparted, the partition editor in Ubuntu, and it shows as about 32. I've also used various boot discs specifically for disc management, mhdd disc tools, seatools for dos, disc wizard boot disc, and the drive either shows up as 32 or doesn't show up at all. fzabkar wrote: drc wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a desktop with mediadirect on it, certainly not on anything old enough to have a DM9 I was thinking that the OP may have cloned the DM9 drive on an older Dell PC with a much smaller drive, in which case the clone would have had its capacity truncated to match the original drive. mmm no we "upgraded." The computer after the one with this drive had a larger drive. fzabkar wrote: drc wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a desktop with mediadirect on it, certainly not on anything old enough to have a DM9 I was thinking that the OP may have cloned the DM9 drive on an older Dell PC with a much smaller drive, in which case the clone would have had its capacity truncated to match the original drive. Partition, sure. Drive, no. Getting to the point, it does sound like an HPA thing. Either that or a firmware fault. If it is HPA it should be easy to fix with MHDD or the HDD capacity restore tool. If not then it would need pro help and therefore not be worth it. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. fzabkar wrote: Quote: I remember when it was formatted to fat 32 years ago on another computer that I lost all the 160GB capacity and I haven't been able to get it back since. Was that other machine a Dell? Were you cloning the drive? Crap replied to this but the links I quoted from you mean I couldn't New it. If so, then the following articles may help: I will check out the articles thank you. drc wrote: Getting to the point, it does sound like an HPA thing. Either that or a firmware fault. If it is HPA it should be easy to fix with MHDD or the HDD capacity restore tool. If not then it would need pro help and therefore not be worth it. I'll read about HPA things in those links you provided. Is this something I can solve with a USB connection? Thanks HDDScan might? Don't remember. Ultimately it also depends on the USB<->PATA controller. Looking at the website, it looks like no. Your best bet is definitely going to be to just connect the drive directly and boot from an MHDD disc or something. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. drc wrote: fzabkar wrote: drc wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a desktop with mediadirect on it, certainly not on anything old enough to have a DM9 I was thinking that the OP may have cloned the DM9 drive on an older Dell PC with a much smaller drive, in which case the clone would have had its capacity truncated to match the original drive. Partition, sure. Drive, no. It is not a partitioning issue. The drive is actually truncated. The reason is that Dell uses a custom MBR which calls additional code in LBA 3. The code in LBA 3 cuts the drive and creates a hidden Media Direct partition in the HPA. It is only after the first reboot that the cloned LBA 3 code is executed. To prevent the drive from being cut, one could either zero out LBA 3, or replace LBA 0 with a standard MBR. All this is explained in the links I quoted. In fact this problem is now a FAQ in the Seagate forums. So to achieve this he would have had to clone a laptop drive from a relatively new dell laptop onto his maxtor, and then attempt to boot from it. Which is not what he described, and would be completely pointless as it wouldn't even begin to boot on his desktop. And he isn't even trying to boot to it, as it is attached through USB. I know that is a real issue that happens, but in this case it doesn't sound relevant at all. Furthermore, all of this discussion is completely pointless until the Newer connects the drive to a machine that he is able to use MHDD etc on to see if it has an HPA, which would then be trivial to deactivate. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. Quote: all of this discussion is completely pointless until the Newer connects the drive to a machine that he is able to use MHDD etc on to see if it has an HPA, which would then be trivial to deactivate. Thanks for all the help. As soon as I manage to connect this without a USB I'll get back to you all... One more question though, since this is a blank drive it would need to be connected as a slave? I couldn't just remove the hard drive from any desk top and pop this one in? And since the jumper is set to master now I need to move it over to the slave setting if I'm going to install it in a desktop as one right? I have used smartmontools to interrogate drives behind a USB-PATA bridge. I know that HDDScan and HD Sentinel can do the same, at least for some bridges. HD Sentinel (DOS / Windows/Linux): http://www.hdsentinel.com/ HDDScan for Windows: http://hddscan.com/ smartmontools (Linux/Windows): http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartmontools/files/ http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartm ... i/Download The drive will report its maximum capacity in bytes or sectors. If it reports 32GB instead of 160GB, then a HPA must be active (unless it is faulty?). You will probably still need to connect it directly to a motherboard to restore its native capacity, though. hortstu wrote: I couldn't just remove the hard drive from any desk top and pop this one in? Sure you could. Connect this one, boot to an MHDD CD, and you're set. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. Probably I missed it. What does Disk Manager in XP shows? _________________ Good Luck http://www.datarecovery.net r3712 wrote: Probably I missed it. What does Disk Manager in XP shows? It showed a 32 gb drive. Is there anything specific you wanted to know other than that? drc wrote: Sure you could. Connect this one, boot to an MHDD CD, and you're set. Thanks. That seems like the easiest solution. I'll let you know what happens when I find a desktop to take apart. did it show 32GB partition or 32GB hard drive capacity.... ? _________________ Knowledge is of no value unless you put it into practice. ~ Anton Chekov so on bottom right side of disk manager in XP you have (x being your Disk number) ------------------------------------------------------------ Disk x : Basic : 32GB : Online : ------------------------------------------------------------- ? _________________ Knowledge is of no value unless you put it into practice. ~ Anton Chekov guru wrote: so on bottom right side of disk manager in XP you have (x being your Disk number) Disk 5..................(G:) Basic...................31.49 GB FAT32 31.49GB...............Healthy Online..................