Samsung s2 portable 500gb dead? Hi About 2 months ago I bought a samsung s2 portable 500 gb. It has worked fine until yesterday. It slipped down from where it was laying (while plugged in and running) and was hanging the 20 cm usb-cabel. Now I can't get it alive. When I plug in the usb-cabel a spinning noise appears and lasts for about 5 seconds, before the diode light start flashing. The disk is not showing up in windows and bios (at least not in the list over boot devices). Can anything be done to save the disk and/or its content? HDD noise: http://files.myopera.com/tehcucumber/fi ... 165603.wav tehcu wrote: Hi About 2 months ago I bought a samsung s2 portable 500 gb. It has worked fine until yesterday. It slipped down from where it was laying (while plugged in and running) and was hanging the 20 cm usb-cabel. Now I can't get it alive. When I plug in the usb-cabel a spinning noise appears and lasts for about 5 seconds, before the diode light start flashing. The disk is not showing up in windows and bios (at least not in the list over boot devices). Can anything be done to save the disk and/or its content? HDD noise: http://files.myopera.com/tehcucumber/fi ... 165603.wav Just happen to me ... While it was playing a video from this HD, it slipped down, and fall down 50 cm ... it was inside the leder protection and the "crash" was very soft ... since the cable did protect from folling down completely ... The noise that I hear is the same that you New above. I can't believe I lost this HD for so little ... Did you find any solution ? How can this HD be open ? Is there any SW tool for low level access this HD ? Thanks e_lm_70 tehcu wrote: Hi About 2 months ago I bought a samsung s2 portable 500 gb. It has worked fine until yesterday. It slipped down from where it was laying (while plugged in and running) and was hanging the 20 cm usb-cabel. Now I can't get it alive. When I plug in the usb-cabel a spinning noise appears and lasts for about 5 seconds, before the diode light start flashing. The disk is not showing up in windows and bios (at least not in the list over boot devices). Can anything be done to save the disk and/or its content? HDD noise: http://files.myopera.com/tehcucumber/fi ... 165603.wav I had the same problem of techcu ... I did find some software, some diagnostic and some low level format from the Samsung site (US flavor) ... anyhow ... they did not help, since if the HD is not recognized by the PC ... these SW does not do anything ... Anyhow ... I did not gave up ... and I decided to open this HD ... I mean ... the platic cover (that damn it) has has no screw .... So, I did damage a bit the nice plastic shell of this HD ... but I manage to open ... Again ... bad surprise ... this is not a standard USB HD that is made using a IDE or SATA adapter ... this HD is born for USB ... so ... I could have try to change the USB to something adapter ... but this is not possible ... Ok ... so ... for some reason I got in mind that maybe in the fall .. the USB cable could have couse a broken contact somewhere ... but ... the design is nice and clean ... and this is not possible ... the USB plug is well stick ... so ... a pressure or a hit in the USB connector cant cause any damage .... With HD naked ... was more clear to hear and see the problem ... after power up the HD try to make some meccanical start up ... it try repitevely for 4/5 times ... then it gave up ... after these few second... the meccanic sound sleeping ... the led blink 3 time .... pause ... and other 3 blink ... this forever .... and HD is not recognized by the PC (not even by my Samusng LE37B651 TV) Anyhow ... in my mind I got the idea that possible one of the magnetic head, or moving part of the hard disk may have been just outside the running path ... like my old Floppy disk in was able to "die" if send to read the 83 track out of 80 :shock: ... (temporary die ... sinde with the head exposed .. was possible to give a manual push .. and put the head back in the "path") So ... I decided to try to give some shocks to the HD in the start up phase ... maybe I can by luck push back the out of space/range meccanical part into a workable position ... And ... bang ... at the second attemp ... give one single shake up at the start up ... I heard a different noise ... and it start to work again .... I immediately I did copy my critical data ... then I disconnect it ... plug it back ... it did work fine ... as before crach :mrgreen: So ... I feel lucky to have these 500b online again ... Still ... it scares me that a little hit in this HD, can bring it out of order ... Tchuss e_lm_70 ps: Any attempt to repeat my experience, and any possible damages, it is outside my responsabiity ... I just want to share my story that may help some desperate "samsung" users ============================================================================ Need help with WD5000AACS Model : WD5000AACS-00ZUB0 (WD Green) PCB : 2060-7014444-004 REV A Drive just KO-ed suddenly as I was transferring files to it. Windows reported that it was not able to find the destination. There are no weird clicking sounds prior to this. Upon further inspection noticed the drive is no longer spinning. Further observations : The drive does not spin when powered up (most of the time). If it does, it will stop after about 10-15s as though no power is being supplied to it. It will spin longer in early hours of morning when the temperature is much cooler, but still spins down soon later. However, the logic board is still warm. Also, BIOS does not detect it. I have tried :- i) Swapping SATA/power cables ii) Plugging it into different PCs The results are same. What could possibly be the cause of the problem? sata drives fails more then ide version your be looking at a faulty pcb board. more likely got damaged with a power shock on the pc. Did you or some one else knocked over that drive? _________________ Don't gamble with your data! @harddrivespecialist Nop. The drive has been in my casing ever since i bought it. The last thing I did was booting up the PC after two weeks as I was on vacation. @craig6928 Faulty PCB board? I need more opinions on this. Previously I consulted a DR company. They did mention (based on my description of the HDD) that my problem is either due to damaged electronic components or stuck heads. I did not send the drive in for recovery to confirm it though. meowmeow wrote: The drive does not spin when powered up (most of the time). If it does, it will stop after about 10-15s as though no power is being supplied to it. Could be heads trying to initialise but failing and spindle stops. Sounds to me like head damage It could be heads, but because it is from the WD ROYL family, I'm more inclined to start with the PCB. Unfortunately, this is still not a DIY process and you will need to seek the assistance of a data recovery professional. One thing that you can check is the PCB itself. Take it off and look very closely at the pins on all the chips...if you see black marks (which is very common), it is likely the problem. If the foam is not black, you might find it easier to see signs of blown chips on it. Good luck. Luke _________________ Luke Recovery Force - Canadian Data Recovery Services i have voted 1.pcp failure 2.head failure @All Thanks for the inputs so far. I'm currently looking for Torx screwdrivers. It's a bit difficult to find them unless I travel to town so I'll update once I got them. Just curious, if the PCB shows no burnt mark(s), would that mean that something inside the assembly is damaged instead? Is it advisable to try to do a PCB swap then?Also, assuming I wanted to, the donor PCB should have identical HD-Model, DCM, uC unit, and PCB serial (imprinted on the board itself) right? After that I would need to transfer the ROM? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Reference thread : western-digital-pcb-swap-rule-t8951.html Location: In ur HDD ! WD = ROYL pain in the butt. Whether Heads or PCB, professionl assistance is sill required... -------- reNew since my previous New was not validated --------- @All Thanks for the inputs so far. It's pretty hard to find a Torx screwdriver around so I will update with pictures of the PCB when I do get them. Most replies so far advised that I consult professional DR companies regardless of the failure reason. Assuming in the case of faulty PCB, may I know the reason? Does it have to do with reprogramming certain chips on the PCB (for this specific model)? Searching around, I came across threads that talked about PCB board replacement with ROM swap. For my HDD model, I guess it will not work? (considering the replies so far) meowmeow wrote: Assuming in the case of faulty PCB, may I know the reason? Does it have to do with reprogramming certain chips on the PCB (for this specific model)? Yes, you need to rebuild embedded rom. you won't be able to do this. You could buy software/hardware to do this but it would be more expensive than using a data recovery service so therefore pointless. Seek the help of a pro, this is the only and best advice you need. Location: behind the platter Ace hardware, Home Depot or any local hardware store should have the tool you need to unscrew the PCB! =========================================================================================== Any data storage strategy to restore hard disk data? I want to know about the best way to restore hard disk data in case of any accidental deletion of file. Is there any need of data storage strategy to eliminate any damage consequences? Its called a 'back up'. Thank you friend... Yeah.. Data Backup is the solution for your answer. You can store your data on various storage devices to prevent any kind of data corruption. It is the best and effective way to prevent loss of business sensitive information. You don't need to worry at all as you can take your data anytime from these devices. There are various ways to take data backup. The original data can be damaged but copy of the same data you have stored is safe and can be accessed anytime. You should not only consider corruption of a few files but 1. Sudden failure of your harddisk - in (the rare) worst case even an expensive data recovery will not help 2. sudden defect of your operating system 3. sudden defect of your computer hardware (mainboard) There are quite some back up software solutions on a market - but what they dont tell you is the correct time needed to restore your system. - you can either reinstall your operating system and all your software and (internet) communication - or you have a full back up (from a specific date) - and perhaps the changed / added data Even with a raid1 hdd system (1:1 mirror with 2 harddisks containing the same data) will not help with following problems: - overvoltage caused by (internal pc) power supply damaging both harddisks - system crash or virus (its immediately on BOTH) harddisks. When you have a full back up solution (Acronis, Ghost, DriveClone or similar) you have to consider that it will take about 3 hours for a 300GB drive to be restored. For an office system this is about half of the day to have it run again. But - even then you are not on safe side: I had it happen last year, that at 95% restored, the programe advised me, that the backup is faulty .... it took me another 10 hours to get the system to work again. I found now the best (for me) solution: - Raid1 external box - building a new clone on the fly every day. - take out the clone in the evening and store it on save place - daily changes of important data is stored regularely on a 2nd external device (NAS) In case of need I have a 2 day old working system - and can add the extra data of the last day within a few minutes. I tested that 2 weeks ago and all together took only 15 mins. Unfortunately this will not help at a sudden defect of your computer hardware (mainboard). For Windows XP one could do a "Repair Installation" - which keeps all programs and installations untouched, but installes onto a new hardware With Vista that was/is not possible I have no knowledge yet whether or how it could work with Win7 (any information is wellcome!). Thats definitely a complete overview - and you decide now :) ================================================================================= Seagate 120GB becomes 32GB, why? run puppy linux, then use Gpart to partition like this but when i run acronis to view, it is differrent from what i see in puppy linux pls note that two points 1. one partition is error. something wrong 2. dirve map shows 62.96GB (first part....) + 48.83GB (error one) but the details only show 62.96GB, while the volume of drive beside the drive map shows only 31.5GB. What is wrong? hidden one, .... how to do it unhidden? note that before i reinstall, it works good with WIN and Ubuntu ST3120026A is a 120GB drive is that the one you have ? _________________ -- http://rzr.online.fr/q/ata : Please help to unlock ST3120026A in max security mode , lost all pwd, do not care about data, free help welcome ... hi, sorry for busy! yes, it is 120gb before doing that. and running well also. there is jumper for forcing size, is it on or off ? _________________ -- http://rzr.online.fr/q/ata : Please help to unlock ST3120026A in max security mode , lost all pwd, do not care about data, free help welcome ... ========================================================================================= Seagate 7200.11 ST3320613as wont initialize showing 0-size Seagate 7200.11 ST3320613as wont initialize showing 0-size Firmware CC2f any one else had a problem with these ?.... is it a firmware issue or hardware ? This drive has Seagate's new super compression and can compress 320GB of data down to 0MB. I can't say that I've encountered this particular firmware, but would be suspicious of it being victim to the common issues of the 7200.11 series. Does the drive make any unusual sounds when powered on? Do you have the ability to read the terminal output? I suggest getting it assessed by a professional lab with all the necessary tools. If the data isn't worth it, get it replaced under warranty. _________________ Luke Recovery Force - Canadian Data Recovery Services no the drive sounds good, spins up ok, is detected by windows and bios but just wont initialise >.< got to love seagate !!!.... is it worth trying the reset as per the busystate firmware ?... 3rd time off tring to initialise came up with : " The request could no be performed because of an I/O device error " Restored.... i used terminal comands.. U= spin up ok, F,,22= drive config restored,,, N1= smart reset, M0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22 user part max rd etc, etc.. unpluged, conected back to pc and drive is on and i have acsess to the files !!!! :) Does any one know of a firmware update for this drive ????.... its working at the moment but kind of feel like i have a time bomb here :( Copy data off it and RMA it! ok... but will they not question why its working now ?.... They may or may not... mojoe wrote: Does any one know of a firmware update for this drive ????.... its working at the moment but kind of feel like i have a time bomb here :( Don't be tempted to flash a CCxx drive with SDxx firmware. Seagate warns that doing this will render your drive inoperable. If you can get your drive to fail SeaTools, then Seagate will accept the failing Test Code as your evidence, even if the drive subsequently comes good. About SeaTools Test Codes: http://seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?local ... 48090aRCRD "SeaTools Test Codes are based on the type of test that failed and the product serial number. No two codes are the same. The online RMA submission system will use the SeaTools Test Code number to help process the exchange of your product. The code tells Seagate that the drive is, in fact, bad and that there is virtually no chance that a good drive is being returned." ============================================================================== Hard drive failure: Seagate Momentus 5400.5 Hi there, I had this 250 GB SATA seagate hard drive (sn:ST9250320AS) and it was working fine. One day I turned on my laptop and it said "operating system not found". I noticed that it doesn't recognize my hdd. I used another hdd to load windows and connected this one via e-sata. It is shown in BIOS, but not in "my computer". In the disc management, it is shown as a drive with no letter, and the capacity is only 55 mb. It is not initialized and when I try to initialize it it gives an arror of "I/O". I have valuable data on it and tried tons of data recovery softwares but no luck. I called seagate and they said I should send the hdd to them. Any suggestions? I appreciate your taking time in advance... Is it shown properly in BIOS? i.e. with full model number AND full capacity? _________________ PC Image Data Recovery www.pcimage.co.uk Yes. In Bios, it is shown properly. I got a msg from one of the data recovery centers that the problem is with the firmware corruption. They want 700$ to fix it though... U could use a good soft to diagnostic, mhdd check if its fully detected, smart attributes and its its, check if answer to read sector commands. Regards =============================================================================== FIREWIRE EXTERNAL WON'T SPIN Hi, Nice to meet you guys! This is my first Newing. A strange thing is happening to my 2 different firewire external HDD enclosures. The thing is... 1. When I turned on the enclosure, hdd is not spinning, so I took out the hdd put in my desk top the drive spins and good to go. 2. I checked voltage on enclosures, they have right voltage 12V and 5V. 3. I put same HDD to enclosures again only power connected and turn on --> No Spin... 4. Few days ago one of the enclosures HDD's tvs was burnt. *Both drive and other equipments connected one surge protector. Would you someone explain why this is happening? Thank you Change the enclosure. You say it will spin and work when connected to your system then the problems is in your enclosure or second it could be in your firewire card inside your system. If you have a PCI firewire card inside your computer check this and make sure it is good, if not replace it or replace the enclosure and the firewire card that is in your system. You can try another PCI slot inside your MB to see if this will help you and make it work again. _________________ Iorana Haraharaini Thank you for reply. I will try it when I got home. :) =================================================================================== STM3500320AS Fixing BSY or CC errors aka BUSY I'm trying to restore a drive after connecting terminal MAXTOR got this message, is, thank you for all help F3 T>/2 F3 2>Z LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569 LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569 I think some people are lazy and stupid What others think? _________________ My hobby is numismatics - http://coins.zoxt.net/ lazy? stupid? add "cheap"! Or am I being harsh? _________________ PC Image Data Recovery www.pcimage.co.uk Thanks for the support of two noble gurus, most remember before you gurus were mere students, no one is born knowing, I think both had one day, their doubts and mistakes, I'll help whenever I ask for help and if you do not simply say I do not know, after the two noble gurus who have made comments that they think will live forever. Problem solved. harddisk wrote: Problem solved. awesome would you please solve it next time before you New such a topic which has been re-Newed 1000001 time _________________ My hobby is numismatics - http://coins.zoxt.net/ I'm truly glad you solved your problem, I really am. But with 28 News you're not a complete newbie and should know better than not to search for already answered problems before Newing, and I couldn't resist the comment. Notwithstanding, if I can be of any real help then please ask. _________________ PC Image Data Recovery www.pcimage.co.uk harddisk wrote: I'm trying to restore a drive after connecting terminal MAXTOR got this message, is, thank you for all help F3 T>/2 F3 2>Z LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569 LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569 hi to all!! I have the same problem, how can I solve? _________________ ??? ?????? ???????????? sempre wrote: harddisk wrote: I'm trying to restore a drive after connecting terminal MAXTOR got this message, is, thank you for all help F3 T>/2 F3 2>Z LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569 LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569 hi to all!! I have the same problem, how can I solve? PROBLEM SOLVED!!! _________________ ??? ?????? ???????????? My entertainment needs for the day have now been satisfied ================================================================================ WD2500JD-22HBC0 after pcb swap shows as WD2000 08.02D08 I had determined that i had a burnt hard drive that made the clicking sound. I read the internet a especially these forums. I found this topic western-digital-pcb-swap-rule-t8951-20.html and decided to buy another hard drive with a similiar PCB. As it appears, the disk ain't working. There's still the clicking sound, but it's different. And the hard drive is even recognized by BIOS as WD2000 08.02D08(donor HD identified properly as WD2500JD-22HBC0), compared to the burnt PCB which was not recognized by BIOS. After trying to swap the PCB with no luck, I came across the info of switching the ROM. Is this really necessary? Sorry for the noobines. yes necessary . Absoloutely. The orginal problem, was it constant clicking or click-click-click.....spin down? _________________ PC Image Data Recovery www.pcimage.co.uk So the ROM is the Samsung made chip(similiar here, although it's RAM: http://media.photobucket.com/image/sams ... re/ram.jpg)? The orginal problem was click-click-click and no recognition, now it's a click and then a longer pause then click again. The old PCB has several burnt chips, mainly the "smooth" -chip. CPU is not necessarily burnt, but it does have a mark of melted foam. All the chips have definitely been running hot once. :D The smooth chip has burnet quite heavily. Lastly there are two smaller chips(resistor size) on the edge, that have burned quite seriously. Other chips look fine. you must swap rom flash if you can =================================================================================== Help with a Seagate ST31000333AS Drive Ok, I have done some research on the boards regarding this particular drive. From this research I have found what I hope is a glimmer of hope. Here is the scenario. I am a photographer and this drive is one of my storage drives. I store the majority of my photos on it, along with a few other random things. This data is of high importance to me. A good portion of this data has been backed up, or may even be on another drive (where is was originally before being moved). However there is also a decent portion that was put straight onto this drive and was not backed up, but I currently have no way of knowing what I might be missing from the drive. That being said, here is what has happened. Today the drive was working fine. After powering it down and disconnecting it so I could check another drives content. I reattached the drive to my external drive reader and everything seemed normal, but the drive would not show up and bogged down the system. I attempted this a few times without any luck. At this point I attempted a different method of attaching it by using the power source of a different PC and connecting it via USB. The drive spins up, sounds like it's reading, then stops reading, but continues spinning. It even seemed to get recognized, supposedly installing drivers, but doesn't get recognized. Finally, I attached it directly to the MB via SATA cord, but no luck at all with this method. Like the other ways, it appears to initially read the drive, but stops and is not recognized. Here's where my glimmer of hope comes in. During my research, I found that this drive apparently has had issues with the firmware. Does this sound like that might be the case here? I also read that seagate would take care of this for free, but it also stated the supposed affected drives were manufactured Jan 2009 or before. My drive has a date code of 09244, which I assume means 24 April, 2009. Can anyone enlighten me on this a bit more? Pokaholic wrote: The drive spins up, sounds like it's reading, then stops reading, but continues spinning. Can you tell us the firmware version? A date code of "09244" corresponds to 2008 December 16th. See http://www.bugaco.com/calculators/seagate_date_code.php The firmware update for the BSY bug is here: http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/s ... 57&Hilite= Frequently-Asked Questions related to firmware issues: http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board/mes ... &jump=true Here are repair procedures for Seagate 7200.11 drives: http://sites.google.com/site/seagatefix/ http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=128807 Tutorial with photos: http://www.overclock.net/hard-drives-st ... -pics.html Pinout of Nokia CA-42 cable's Pop-port connector (use pins 6,7,8): http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/ ... nout.shtml See the following technical bulletin: http://atulchitnis.net/files/seagate.pdf Firmware: CC1H I have done a little more research, and am fairly confident that it is in BSY mode. I would seriously be soooo relieved if I can get this working properly. I already have 2 other HD's sitting on a shelf waiting for me to be able to afford repairs. Pokaholic wrote: Firmware: CC1H I have done a little more research, and am fairly confident that it is in BSY mode. I would seriously be soooo relieved if I can get this working properly. I already have 2 other HD's sitting on a shelf waiting for me to be able to afford repairs. Do not be tempted to "flash" your firmware. CC firmware and SD firmware are incompatible. http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/s ... 57&Hilite= "Note: If your drive has CC firmware, your drive is not affected and no further action is required. Attempting to flash the firmware of a drive with CC firmware will result in rendering your drive inoperable." I saw that, thanks. In a further update: I was trying some of the seagate troubleshooting suggestions and here is what I found. When I tried to "manage" the drives, the drive in question did not show up. When I went into the bios, the drive in question was there, however, before I was able to go into the bios, I got a error message. The message was: NOTE - Hard Drive SELF MONITORING SYSTEM has reported that a parameter has exceeded it's normal operating range. Dell recommends that you back up your data regularly. A parameter out of range may or may not indicate a potential HD problem. :cry: I think my glimmer of hope just faded. Pokaholic wrote: The message was: NOTE - Hard Drive SELF MONITORING SYSTEM has reported that a parameter has exceeded it's normal operating range S.M.A.R.T. is telling you that something is wrong with the drive's hardware. A common culprit is an excessive number of bad sectors. If the drive is making horrible noises, then stop now because the heads may have crashed. Otherwise you may be able to use multipass cloning software such as dd_rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_rescue# ... ants_of_dd Here are two SMART utilities: HD Sentinel (DOS / Windows / Linux): http://www.hdsentinel.com/ HDDScan for Windows: http://hddscan.com/ Look for reallocated or pending sectors. See this article for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. yep bad sectors on your drive seagate are well know for this total piece of crap i had a brand new 500gb go down after a month with the same problem as you. turned out there was over 30,000 bad sectors sent back to seagate who send me a recon hard drive out wtf Most likely one of the heads is failing... Don't do anything more to your drive if your want your data back. Don't even try to power it on. _________________ Don't gamble with your data! fzabkar wrote: S.M.A.R.T. is telling you that something is wrong with the drive's hardware. A common culprit is an excessive number of bad sectors. If the drive is making horrible noises, then stop now because the heads may have crashed. Well, preceding the crash, and afterward it has not been making any horrible noises. harddrivespecialist wrote: Most likely one of the heads is failing... Don't do anything more to your drive if your want your data back. Don't even try to power it on. After my last New last night I pretty much decided that the drive was dead, disconnected it and put it on the shelf with the other two dead drives that need repair. This morning however I did attach it one last time to make sure of what I was hearing, and it no longer sounds to me as though it's attempting to read the drive so much. It sounds as though the head(s) is trying to do something, but then just stops(though the drive still spins). I simply powered it down and put it on the shelf. :( So now I am at the point where I have 3 failed hard drives, and limited funds. I could certainly purchase a new drive to replace the one that just died, BUT I somewhat need to have the images on that drive, along with the files that correspond to them from Adobe lightroom, among other things. I guess what I am saying is that I want estimates on the costs to repair these drives. If you are interested in doing the work please PM me and I will give details on everything. ======================================================================================== PCB are compatible for U12 swap? My original HDD is: WESTERN DIGITAL WD800 MDL: WD800JD-75LSA0 DCM: DSBHCTJCH model PCB: 2060-701335-A00 Donor: MDL: WD800JD-00MSA1 DCM: HSBANTJCA model PCB: 2061-701335-E00 Are PCB compatible for swap U12? Original PCB no sound, nothing. Carlos yes _________________ PC Image Data Recovery www.pcimage.co.uk Thank you!!! Hi, I desoldering ROM U12 from patient PCB and soldering to Donor PCB and when i connect hdd make tac tac sound. :( Double check your soldering job. are you sure head or firmware are ok? 8) _________________ provide entire dirve,PCB,firmware,hard disk accessories. talk to me! Data Recovery service sunnydreamspace@hotmail.com The ROM is OK pacient PCB is 003 REV A Donor PCB 005 REV B probably preamp is gone. Data Recovery lab (mumbai) _________________ - Data recovery You should try again with a diffrent donor PCB (003), maybe you still have a last chance. _________________ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.Seagate 7200.10 - no clikcing but does not spin up I am hoping for some help with my Seagate drive. I have looked at the Newings and do not see a similar symptoms reported. The drive is a Segate 7200.10 750gb drive. It functioned perfectly the last time it was used ~1 year ago and has never been dropped. I went to retrieve some pictures off the drive and it will not spin up. There is no clicking noise and if left connected for a couple of minutes no part of the drive gets hot. The drive does make a quiet "humming" noise that is barely audible from 18" away. The noise lasts for 2 seconds, pauses for a second, and repeats. This lasts for ~30 seconds then stops. The drive is not visible to the computer but the caveat being that it is an IDE drive and the computer has all SATA connections so I have it plugged into a usb port. I am hoping that someone can provide more insight beyond simply telling me to drop it in the mail. Thanks for the help. heads stuck to plattter. Or spindle stuck. Either way needs pro help to guarantee safety of data. _________________ You don't have to backup all of your data, just the data you want to keep. Thanks guys. I am guessing either way it is a ~$1000 repair vs. a $200 repair. While I would really like the pictures and other data off the drive the information is only worth so much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction#Hard_disk_drives The wikipedia links suggests smacking the drive against the desk to loosen the heads. Anyone else advocate this method? How about throwing the drive in the toaster oven set at 110 degrees? This should be within the operating range of the drive. Maybe this will help unstick the the heads or spindles. I realize I am risking loss of data but with the quotes I am receiving the data is lost anyway as the cost benefit analysis does not work out in my favor. AMG_Roadster wrote: The wikipedia links suggests smacking the drive against the desk to loosen the heads. Anyone else advocate this method? The DR pros will laugh at you, but what do you have to lose? I had to smack my 6.4GB IBM drive from time to time to get it started. It's still going. Avoid hitting the motor -- you'll risk seizing the bearing. In my case it was enough to rap the casting with the handle of my screwdriver. Avoid the oven or freezer. If you've seen some of the photos here, then you'll know why. AMG_Roadster wrote: The wikipedia links suggests smacking the drive against the desk to loosen the heads. Anyone else advocate this method? The link refers to drives from the 80's and early 90's, so unless your drive is 30 years old then NO! _________________ PC Image Data Recovery www.pcimage.co.uk Did you pull off the PCB to see if any of the contacts are tarnished? pcimage wrote: AMG_Roadster wrote: The wikipedia links suggests smacking the drive against the desk to loosen the heads. Anyone else advocate this method? The link refers to drives from the 80's and early 90's, so unless your drive is 30 years old then NO! I've never understood the shock specs of hard drives. What is the practical meaning of the following spec? Barracuda 7200.10 Serial ATA Product Manual: http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/supp ... 02371f.pdf 2.9.5.2 Nonoperating shock - 3 and 4 Disc models "The non-operating shock level that the drive can experience without incurring physical damage or degradation in performance when subsequently put into operation is 300 Gs based on a nonrepetitive half-sine shock pulse of 2 msec duration." "All shock specifications assume that the drive is mounted securely with the input shock applied at the drive mounting screws. Shock may be applied in the X, Y or Z axis." benhanson wrote: Did you pull off the PCB to see if any of the contacts are tarnished? No, I have not pulled off the PCB. The top of it looks fine but I will see about pulling off the PCB. also anyone can write anything on wikipedia! HDD Spaz wrote: also anyone can write anything on wikipedia! Yep. That is one reason I mentioned smacking the drive vs. just running out and doing it. :) HDD Spaz wrote: also anyone can write anything on wikipedia! also anyone can correct anything on wikipedia! I'm sure Wikipedia would welcome the input of an industry professional. ;-) AMG_Roadster wrote: HDD Spaz wrote: also anyone can write anything on wikipedia! Yep. That is one reason I mentioned smacking the drive vs. just running out and doing it. :) Based on Seagate's spec, you should mount the drive securely and apply a nonrepetitive half-sine shock pulse of 2 msec duration at the drive mounting screws. Just be sure that the magnitude of the shock doesn't exceeed 300Gs. ;-) fzabkar wrote: Based on Seagate's spec, you should mount the drive securely and apply a nonrepetitive half-sine shock pulse of 2 msec duration at the drive mounting screws. I'm still trying to get a grip on this spec. The impulse energy is defined by ... E = F.dt = m.a.dt where F = force, a = acceleration, m = mass, dt = impulse duration So E = 0.720 kg x (300 x 9.8 m/s/s) x 0.002 sec = 4.23 Joules If this energy is imparted by a projectile of mass M travelling at V m/s, then ... E = 1/2 . M . (V x V) If M = 1 kg, then V = 2.91 m/s = 10.5 km/h So the drive will survive a strike by a projectile weighing 1kg and travelling at 3m/s or 10 kph??? Sounds more like a wrecking ball to me ... ============================================================================ Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500Gb - stuck spindle motor Guys n Girls I have here the above mentioned drive that I believe has suffered a spindle seizure; the drive makes no attempt to spin (just a buzzing noise) despite swapping an identical, known working PCB off its partner drive (there were 2 identical drives in one enclosure) and the spindle motor area of the casing has some kind of lubricating fluid on it (did it leak out of the bearing enclosure?) What would you do to recover this drive? Thanks! Do not open this at all. Send it to Sean he is in your area. I think if anyone can do this work he can that is if the heads are not crashed on this drive and then nobody can do this work at all for you. PM Sean and speak with him on this problem. Stop trying to start this drive it can only cause you more damage and a great loss of data if this has not already happened here. _________________ Iorana Haraharaini Sent it to a pro. It is beyond your abilities. I am Sean. PM me if you need your data :-) _________________ PC Image Data Recovery www.pcimage.co.uk